Talk:Wexalian

This comes from German and there's / ʒ/ but no /z/? How exactly did you get a  / ʒ/ without a /z/? Modern Standard German has /s/ /z/ /ʃ/ but no  / ʒ/ except in loanwords. It also has had all word-initial /s/ replaced with /z/ or  /ʃ/ depending on environment, and overall /z/ is just such a prominent sound in Standard German (think stereotypical German accents zhat talk like zhis, even using the voiced alveolar fricative for the voiceless /θ/ phonemes word-initially because of the non-occurence of word-initial /s/ in Standard German outside of of a few loanwords, all of which contain consonant clusters) while / ʒ/  is absent that I'm just confused.

Also, your think with ß and ſ is just weird. ß is from blackletter ſʒ (sz). "s" (edit: using the angle brackets with "s" gives strikethroughs) in Standard German is /z/ (although it's affected by final devoicing and appearing before voiceless consonants) except before stops where it's  /ʃ/. <ſ> word-finally in all languages that used it is "s" and <ß> is something else entirely, for example "through" and  "bit" (verb, old orthography). I know this language isn't supposed to be Standard German but I don't get it either. The sound changes are pretty weird and the grammar is even weirder.

Joersc ( talk ) 04:33, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

There is an orthographic /z/, but I assume you're talking about phonologically [z] and [ʒ]. [z] I assume was formed from initial and intervocalic [s], but intervocalic [s] became [x] (I thought this would be interesting because the wikipedia article talked about [s] being [s̱] and closer to [ʃ]), and intially, I don't like [z]. [ʒ] was just formed from final [ʃ] after a long vowel (I thought that would be a nice touch in addition to final obstruent devoicing) and its addition made it possible to add in loan words with [ʒ]. As for the ß/ſ, I used those because /s/ became [ʃ] mostly, and old timey ortho use /ſ/ a lot so I thought I'd be interesting to use ß finally/intervocalically and ſ initial/pre-consonantally. If you have an orthography you'd like to see, I'd love to see it, though. Is weird good here? If so, what specifically, and how could I fix it in your eyes?

Maxseptillion77 (talk) 11:36, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

May as well crib your idea of the HG dialect and make a normal HG dialect instead of Fed up pseudo-Limburgish dialect.

Also, I myself don't have anything about your language. --DAH BUY000R! (wall | crimes)