User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán/1

Page deletion
Ah my bad, I apologise for it, It just looked in the description so well that I thought it was a real language someone had added. Of course I won't delete it then and I would have retrieved it even if you hadnt been able to get it back.

My apologies

The Emperor Zelos 14:11, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Branched conlang
Congratulations for your language three. I like the idea of a so branched conlanging.

Askadia 09:15, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope it makes the project seem more realistic and as well as my conworlds project.

pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 11:33, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Case descriptions
Hi there!

My name is Waahlis, and what a lovely language you've got, Kihāmmic, (always start a request with a compliment :) ) . I had a wonder, if I could slightly alter and copy Your case descriptions? They seem to fit rather well into my lang, but som changes would need to be made. I sincerely like your languages though!

Cheers! Waahlis 17:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, yeah, be my guest. Let me know how things go!

pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 19:07, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that'll save time! Keep on conlanging!

Waahlis 22:13, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Hi, MOB, I have a question; since I actually prefer conlanging before "wiki"-ing, I'd be very glad if you could tell me how you created categories?

kyām dēkar 17:08, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

You can either scroll down to the bottom of the page and use "+ Add category" then type in whatever category you want, old or new. You can also go into "Edit" then in "Visual" mode enter what you want in the "Categories" bit. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 17:12, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I meant how you created category pages? I may be a bit daft, but that daft. kyām dēkar 07:00, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well I always added the categories before I actually created them, but to create and add material to them you just treat them as a normal page. So "Create" or "Add to this page". Hope that helps. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 08:42, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Another problem
Hi again MOB, how did you fix those links from your cases, into Kihā́mmic? Whenever I try to direct the link to specific cases, it misinterprets the link and goes elsewhere! How did you do it?

kyām dēkar 13:27, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean do you mean directing to a specific section of another page? This is the code for Kihā́mmic redirecting to nominative: "Panlaffic cases#Nominative case|Nominative". Just add double brackets around it. I hope that's what you meant! pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 13:57, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's exactly what I meant, however I wrote in code - and it didn't work, until I discovered I missed a capital letter - but no matter what I do, It jumps to the "Accusative" section, instead of the "Absolutive". Got an idea? Thanks by the way for the help with the catogories. kyām dēkar 14:04, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Don't bother, it was all my browsers fault... Thanks nevertheless! kyām dēkar 14:19, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay then, any time. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 14:46, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hi again!
Hi again, MOB! I don't really remembering asking you whether I could call you that... Nevertheless, I just wondered how you managed to direct for example "Kihā́mmic/Basic phrases" to Kihā́mmic on the top of the page.You got to ask someone, and you've been friendly enough...!

Cheers! kyām dēkar 21:35, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, well it's fine by me, it is a bit of a longer username. All I did was create the page with the name "Kihā́mmic/Basic phrases" and it give a link back to "Kihā́mmic" at the top of the page. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 22:21, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

A normal link? Well, perfect then. Are you all sure on tha'? I'll give it a try, and if it doesn't work, I'll just settle... Thanks as always! kyām dēkar 16:19, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'll just continue on this topic. It seems I've talked to you quite a lot. Must be because there are no other users around... Now, I crave that you reveal how you made your alphabet! kyām dēkar 11:08, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I know, we seem to be the only ones to talk regularly. Anyway, first of all I came up with names for my letters in Kihā́mmic such as "paná" which means "river". When I'd done this for all my letters I drew a small icon that represented each concept. After that I wrote the alphabet out over and over again and the resulting characters are what you see here. I tried to keep them just difficult enough to write to justify a growing preference for a Romanised system, hopefully it's worked. I had been thinking of developing a Ge'ez based abugida for Jukpë, I may start soon. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 13:19, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but I meant technically how you made it? Same goes for your flag and coat of arms. kyām dēkar 13:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, apologies. Well as I mentioned first of all, with a pen and paper but then later I created a more stylised version just on Paint, nothing too fancy. I made my flag and other stuff using a combination of Paint and Paint.NET. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 13:37, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Tables
Hi MOB, would you be terribly bothered and heart-broken should I borrow your "Basic Phrases"? It would be a shame...

By the way, you really need to use some other tables than those grey ones you're using nowadays!

Thanks in advance! kyām dēkar 14:14, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind at all. Which grey ones? I've only used grey ones here haven't I? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 14:40, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hi again!

I've made some propositions for new declension tables for your noun system, If your interested? To replace those grey ones... kyām dēkar 12:21, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, I've started editing them, will put them on my page shortly. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 14:01, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

May I ask you a question? How come you're not using a relative standard with the phonology presented in a manner-place table? It is far more convenient? kyām dēkar 15:08, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about here? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 15:10, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hrrm. Never mind me... Though the standard one is quite ugly, I get that. kyām dēkar 15:12, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think you've got a new lang to make an IPA-table for... By the way, your opinion on these tables for the IPA-page? kyām dēkәr 11:24, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that one is a mess. I'll do it soon then, if the author approves.

They look good, but maybe the image behind the vowels could be lighter so the symbols are more legible.

Also, I hope you agree that our IPA page shouldn't be a copy of the Wikipedia article and should be conlang centred. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 15:17, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I intend for the vowels to have a background coloured with the colour of this wiki, however, I don't know its code! Although I've asked E-Zed [sic] for it. And I agree completely on the Wikipedia part. This wiki is a bit Wikipedia-centered, and frankly - I'm sick of it! However, their tables of sounds are the most well-sourced I could find. kyām dēkәr 15:58, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, well let's hope he replies in good time. I'm glad you agree. Wikipedia is well sourced, in fact I think their tables are straight from the IPA's website. If I have time I'll try and write a short conlang centred IPA article. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 17:35, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

So will I, if I could get some response from our dear admin... kyām dēkәr 19:11, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Reconstruction
Hi there MOB!

Wouldn't it be just lovely if someone could get this wiki up and going again? I mean, our Front page isn't exactly invitational? We've got tonnes of stubs and dead end links! The administrator doesn't seem to be present at all! Do you have any clue what we could do? That is, if you agree with me. kyām dēkar 09:39, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

I do think that the admin could be done better and the featured articles and that kind of thing doesn't seem to have been updated for ages. Having said that I don't think I could do a better job. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 17:32, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nor could I, of course, but have you got any ideas what could be done? And how? It would be much more fun should the wiki get a face-lift? kyām dēkar 18:00, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if the wiki has enough regular users to sustain a revamp unfortunately. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 20:39, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to be able to resume this thread. I like that you proposed the fitting tables for Shabkiuza. Maybe we'll get some consistency. I appreciate the draughting too... ;). kyām dēkәr 20:32, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't like it when the tables don't fit on the pages horizontally. The wiki style table make everything tidier and go with the wiki, as I'm sure you'd agree. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 20:43, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I would indeed. By the way, you screwed up my edit when you wrote the message at User talk:Fauloro - I was editing at that time! I had to rewrite it! Bleeding...I write reeeeally slowly. kyām dēkәr 21:26, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that :/ Did you try pressing the back buton? pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 21:31, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Favour
Hi MOB, could I ask a favour of you? - I have a problem regarding flavour!

At my user page there are two tables, called "Aspect" and "Person". They are both used to show conjugation, but I can't decide which one's the most convenient one? I'd appreciate your opinion!

P.S. Where did you make that script for your languages? Lookes rather funny! D.S. kyām dēkar 15:55, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think I'd prefer the "Person" table but it might be more convenient to use the narrower "Aspect" table.

I drew them by hand first, then used Paint to create a computer font style of the handwritten script. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 20:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Verb table
Thanks! You're of course welcome to use it, should you find it easier. And yes - you should do something about your extreme amount of conjugation tables... kyām dēkar 18:59, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Templates
I've been considering to edit some of the templates. Do you think we ought to change their appearance? And if so, create new template pages? Waahlis kyām dēkar 09:52, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

If it improves the aesthetic of the page then definitely. Perhaps we could also add a list of the top ten most edited pages or something too? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 10:35, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, if you think your able to. Do you mean such listlike the ones in the "Wiki activity"? Waahlis kyām dēkar 10:44, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Kind of, but just a smaller version to fit on the main page. If it requires a lot of coding I may not be able to though. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 10:51, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Featuring
Hi again MOB, I saw your "nominee" message on the featuring page and realised that we truly need some sort of community messages on the front page? Waahlis kyām dēkar 13:02, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'll add something to the current main page. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 13:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Done!! pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 13:23, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Should we remove the possibility to Nominate your own language? Or not? kyām dēkar 17:31, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe not to nominate but voting for your own conlang is already forbidden. What do you think? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 18:01, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose there'd be no activity at all, should one not be able to nominate your own language. Very well... kyām dēkar 18:04, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

It's not the best system but I agree there might not be any (or very few) nominations if it were forbidden. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 18:12, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's no need for a motivation, thus I'll remove it. You have the same right as everyone else. kyām dēkar 14:44, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then, it's just that personally I don't think it's up to scratch. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 14:57, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, when should we start the voting? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 14:59, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we shouldn't rush it? We don't exactly have a lot of nominees - but I suppose they'll do. To begin with, we should have an engaging "pro-con" discussion. And after that I think we should get the Front up and running, so that the votes'll pour in! kyām dēkar 22:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

We could wait until a week after I "announced" the need for new nominations; that would be 1pm on 18th March. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 23:02, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking of both those things you mentioned! Let's hope the influx and the revamp correlates! I've contacted "E-Zed" in case there's a standard procedure in these cases, otherwise.... I'm not sure. I don't think you have much right to argue though, considering you've got a language in the contest. Maybe the admin's got a tiebreaking vote? kyām dēkәr 16:08, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not trying to push my language, I'd just like the issue resolved. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 17:56, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't worrying at all. 'Twas just a word of precaution! And since the admin has yet to vote, he'll probably be the one resolving it... kyām dēkәr 18:28, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Tower of Babel picture
Hi there MOB, I've got some designs for that babel tower, if you'd like to take a look?

https://plus.google.com/photos/111842543564932026859/albums/5721357189156687105?authkey=CMbUgNKjwJT-bw

kyām dēkar 21:54, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ooo, they're good. I prefer these: 2.6 and 2.2 (in that order). Nice work :) pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 21:58, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I prefer 2.6 as well, it suits the colour scheme on the wiki quite well! The 2.2 picture's got the charm of being close to the original!

P.S: Thanks for correcting the "-phthong"-mistake! It must be a svedicism! D.S. kyām dēkar 22:07, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I agree and it's not a problem, probably the lack of [θ]/[ð]. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 22:39, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, of course it'd be that. In addition to the incredible [fθ]-cluster. No sane language would use that. kyām dēkar 07:15, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

In Ancient Greek it would have been [pʰtʰ] hence the "ph" and "th". pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 09:28, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

And yes, I'm aware of that... Modern Greek uses the word "δίφθογγος" as well, with the cluster [fθ]. But my joke has lost it's charm by now.

What do you think of my slider? kyām dēkar 09:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Could do either with larger images or making the slider itself smaller so the photos aren't as pixelated but I do like the slider idea. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 09:51, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, I'm fixing the pictures right now. Could you link the Special: Revisions page? kyām dēkar 09:59, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

This one? pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 10:24, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Definition
Hi MOB!

Would you like to give your opinion on the Definition template? Do you know how to make it right-centred? - Because I sincerely don't! kyām dēkar 19:25, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think the current one is preferable, purely because it's more compact. You could add the language's native name too?

Unfortunately, no, I don't know how to do that, it's annoyed me in the past too.

P.S. I appreciate the vote on the forum. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 19:50, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I knew you'd like the current one, but it's a work in progress, and the compactness is a prio. Shame about the centering, since I can't find the code for it...

P.S. Thank you for the diatheses, meaning to change it, but I rarely update my user page...

P.P.S. You deserved it. I don't like the structure of Angos, the purpose or vocabulary. And between Rangyayo and yours, the content and complexity (as well as updating) became your winning! kyām dēkar 19:59, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that the colour of the current one matches the rest of the wiki though, but your version does. As long as you can make it just as or almost as compact I'd prefer it. I do think that Wikipedia have a code "cheat-sheet"; that might have something that could be useful, I hope. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 20:14, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

The latest version is definitely an improvement! pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 22:42, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well then, I'm rather pleased with the last version! Your opinion? kyām dēkar 15:44, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. The code for aligning something to the right is: " align:right "...

If you can make the text against a red/green background white then I think it's pretty much perfect. You could also add a box to show whether or not the language is tonal. Thanks for the code. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 15:50, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the tonal definition is important. It's odd it wasn't in the standard. I'll change it right away. kyām dēkar 15:53, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It looks great to me! I'll take it for a test drive. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 16:14, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Just avoid sleeping policemen and pools of water. kyām dēkar 16:21, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I did, although my boxes didn't change from a red to green background when I put "Yes" for some reason. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 16:23, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I know this might be very bothersome (...), but it is designed to react on "yes", with miniscules. I just reckoned that people wouldn't be as proper as you and use capital initials... I could change it if you'd want? kyām dēkar 16:31, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, no that's fine, it was a fair assumption. I shall change my capitals. pá mamûnám ontā́ bán 16:34, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, after blood, sweat and tea-... Well it wasn't that much of a pain really. Your opinion for the new "Featured's template"? Signed kyām dēkәr 21:09, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

It looks very good, I must say!

I'm afraid I haven't been very active on here recently because I've gone off Kihā́mmic and have started on a detailed sketch for a new language which is a lot more thought through than Kihā́mmic. I've only been doing that in Word, since I currently don't have constant Internet access. I have also been listening to the Conlangery Podcast, which is brilliant inspiration and I'd reccomend it. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 21:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you were quick to answer! Glad you've found inspiration for a new lang, it's not that easy at times. And you now what - I've been thinking of listening to them. They piqued my interest with that message on the Talia language. Good luck kyām dēkәr 22:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I happened to be on the computer looking at Ancient Greek particles, I checked my e-mail and lo and behold I had a notification. The first few episodes certainly aren't fantastic but they do get a lot better; William Annis is certainly very knowledgeable and eloquent. The podcast seems to be slowly building a community too, which is great! I think I first saw them mentioned on Rangyayo; they had featured the language on the podcast but I listened to them a week or two after I saw that. What's Talia? It sounds familiar. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 22:19, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'll listen when I've got the time, then. And the name of the lang was "Taila" (ever so sorry.....), which you should know - you've edited it. kyām dēkәr 21:19, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

That would be why it sounded familiar then! What did they say about it? I can't remember if they mentioned it on the show and can't see anything on the page. I'm probably missing something obvious again... pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 22:30, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, found it! I was missing something obvious... pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 22:58, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, I wasn't obvious enough - I could've mentioned that it was the author's page. Was the podcast good? kyām dēkәr 09:43, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

If they were recording it on 8th, as the message says, then that episode won't come out until 16th I think, if I've got their recording schedule right. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 12:30, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Voting
Hi, thanks for the invite to participate in voting. I would prefer not to get involved in this community's affairs however as long as Zelos is the admin. I have been around for a while I have seen him pushing his own agenda and his own languages, and driving many good people away from this site by interfering with what they do. I don't really want to get into a fight so I just keep a low profile :) Thanks! Adagio burner 18:28, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I can respect that. Thanks for getting back to me and best of luck with Ja. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 18:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Atzlā
Your opinion? How did you make your signature? With the pic and all? kyām dēkar 20:42, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I like it and look forward to seeing you expand on it. I'm impressed with your crests too. I actually have an outline myself for a Native American inspired language, called Conāć lēha [ˌt͡sɔˈnäːt͡ɬ ˈleːˌçɐ], though haven't done much.

My signature's code is:

pá mamūnám ontā́ bán

I just used generic wiki code. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 20:51, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, but I solved it seconds after the message, and was on my way to say that. Then I couldn't find the section and was afraid I had dreamt it all... Cheers though! kyām dēkәr 20:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem, nice signature. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 21:03, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Fraternisation
So, what is this new conlang wikia you've been visiting ? :) kyām dēkәr 17:11, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

It was mentioned on Conlangery and so I decided to visit and add my "Lord's Prayer" translation with a link to this wiki. FrathWiki doesn't seem to exactly be a hive of activity though. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 18:55, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, by chance, I stumbled upon it while cleansing our wikia's articles (thanks by the way - lots of copying causes that), and wanted to see if it was, as you put it: "a hive of activity". Then I saw your username, and was greatly surprised. Seemed even more disorganised than our wiki. Lots of langs though. kyām dēkәr 20:50, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it doesn't seem great. The number of languages makes me think that it used to be a lot more active and that the project has kind of run out of steam. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 21:28, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

'Twas like looking into the future (and past) of this wki. Although I did see Minhast, one of our languages, there. kyām dēkәr 06:23, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Main page
Weird - your editing of "Creating a language" messed up the front page. Fixed it though.

So, what do you think of it? kyām dēkәr 15:06, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Did it? I checked the main page just in case and it was fine for me, but anyway, at least it's fixed.

It looks brilliant, well done. Hopefully we can do just as well on the conlang centred advice pages. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 15:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, means a lot. I shall move to begin reconstruction of advice pages (it does sounds better than "help", does it not?), the Conling Wiki and implement it on the Main page.

I have also got one more project... I'm not sure you're aware of this, since I've kept my mouth shut. Behold:

The Canto. Our general forum. kyām dēkәr 15:27, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't seen this! That looks very good too. Hopefully it will spark some nice debates and conversation. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 15:45, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's not mine, exactly. My secrecy has paid off. It is always fun to surprise people! No, actually, I kept a low profile regarding this, since I didn't want this discussion circling in the same time as the "revamp part 1". kyām dēkәr 15:55, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Are you MOBbing me!? There's something with your edits which affects the Main page on Firefox. Could you ask me to fix it till next time?

P.S. Not too keen on the word "Administrator" are you... And capital initials may not be proper etiquette, but it does pique interest! D.S. kyām dēkәr 18:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

That's strange, I did check again and it was fine on Chrome, but anyway I suppose I should do that then. "Admininstrator" seems too formal for here, that's all. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 19:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ienn
Thanks for your help! :) Naju 14:56, 22 April 2012

No problem, if you need anything then just let me know. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 15:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the table help!
Thanks very much for the help on the phonology tables. I will definitely incorporate that into my article. You're the best!

Dairhenien 14:16, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, if you want anything else just ask! And if you have any advice for me please let me know. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 20:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)