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 * Synjômenwenâ Leñâmyþend.


 * Kwâêrond âmnewynnÿeþ Dysênel kwâtwân hir Sôemsymonólel, sonlâ yponônwenâ Kwâêrend Lyþênyþveyl Arasânyþþond.


 * Thanks a bunch. vii

New
Hey there!

I'm new in this conlang page (about 10 minutes old - an infant, you see...), but I'm not really THAT new to the whole "Conlang" idea. I know (through studying linguistics) about languages. I know about how to create one in mind or on paper: grammar, vocabulary, syntax, morphophonology et cetera... What I don't know of is how to guide myself through this WikiPage. I could really use some help in that department.

Thanks in advance

~ The Glossophile ~


 * Youre so new your umbilical cord hasnt been cut yet XP Joking aside. I will gladly help you, what is it you need help with more exacly? The Emperor Zelos 06:38, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well...

I'm kinda trying to choose the "create a language" box

(but it doesn't really show me the way into it) and there

is no introduction page to help move around this wiki (at

least I didn't find any) and once I getthere what DO I do?

How do I create the charts? Is it MY choice or the page

has its own programme for that? See what I mean? ^_^

By the way... Thanks for the signature issue! :)

The Glossophile 12:45, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

If you click on it you see the front page where there is an area you can fill out the name of your conlang and press create, once done you'll have a page created with suggestions of things and if you want general help on layout my stuff is usually good place to look.

The charts are self created but again I suggest you use a style similar to those of mine. The Emperor Zelos 13:10, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok! Thanks!

I've already started... I'm a bit puzzled right now, but I hope

I can get the hang of it. Thanks for the help! :)

The Glossophile 13:29, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Youre welcome, always come if you got an answer and I respond as quickly as I can, feel free to got o my page Umbrean and copy coding from it The Emperor Zelos 13:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey there! Explain this to me, will you?

What exactly is this "moving" thing and why did you do it in the first place?

The Glossophile 07:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Move simply means name/location change, nothing is lost.

I did it because i agree "Unnamed" fits better under your username until you decied a name

That's what I guessed... Thanks! :)

It's good to know I have the copyrights.

The Glossophile 16:32, September 12, 2010 (UTC) Copyright? o_ô The Emperor Zelos 16:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)



So to speak... Just a recognition from the group that I was the one


 * creating this (potential) language. It wouldn't be fair to anyone if their


 * work on their languages was lost or "stolen" by someone else!


 * The Glossophile 16:38, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are entitled to it as your creation but anyone can still take any part of it, I found on a page here on the wiki an old construct I no longer used someone had decieded to use The Emperor Zelos 16:41, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well yes... if they're abandoned by their original conlangers, I think its ok!

But if they're under construction by someone... It wouldn't be fair. The Glossophile 16:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

On a wiki anything is up for grabbing, we just show each other more respect on a general notion though =)

That's what I wanted to hear! :)

The Glossophile 16:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Conlang Word Creator
Hey! Do you happen to know any good word creator machines (for conlangs) in the web? The Glossophile 03:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes The Emperor Zelos 06:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Care to share it? :P The Glossophile 06:46, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * P I cnat rememebr the link The Emperor Zelos 06:55, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * got a mail or anything? The Emperor Zelos 11:13, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

yeah, it's charmak69@hotmail.com

thanks for the help! The Glossophile 12:26, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sent The Emperor Zelos 12:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

My new Nature Tongue
I gave the proper names of the phonemes, which I consider to be as good as the IPA symbols. I am also not intending to be as strict about the pronunciation as to limit one phonetic symbol to one phoneme but rather a class of sounds, so that the actual discription of how you should make a sound like that is way more acurate than the IPA symbol. And yet again I have used the proper linguistical names when neccessary. ImaginaryMdA 18:13, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I did not know it was you and missunderstood, alright then The Emperor Zelos 15:08, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Michaelunbrakeable
Are you editing my Anikuwynér page? If so, I'd appreciate if you didn't. I noticed you told me that a chart of mine is hidden and if I make it visible, it will be removed. I don't know the IPA system, nor do I want to scour the internet for the literature on it, somehow learn it, and then even somehow learn the alt-codes for the symbols. I prefer layman's terms. If that's an issue for you or the people on this site, then I can find a different website which will allow me to do so.

Uhh, you don't need to learn it fully, there's a Wikipedia page :P You can copy the symbols over, they don't have alt-codes. Here's the Wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet

Enjoy Rostov-na-don 14:01, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but layman terms are not suffient here, and it is in our policies to use IPA, if you want IPA + layman that is fine as long as IPA is used. You are free to be here and all but we have policies and rules on how things should be so it is understandable to all who reads and yours is not suffient because "E as in eh" can mean nearly anything depending on dialect, location, origion, origional language as an Indian person speaking english might pronounce it differently than an australian, american and a british all at the same time hence it has no value.

So in order to help people pronounce things IPA is used as its neutral universal and understandable by all along with everything needed. It is to give languages here a standard that all can understand.

The Emperor Zelos 15:07, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

My opinion is that policing pages like that makes no sense and is harmful to the community. It produces nothing but bad feelings.

Zelos, if you really want to promote IPA, then instead of commenting entire phonology sections out, just go ahead and add IPA symbols to them! Then, no one would feel bad, and people would appreciate your effort. With what you do now, it is the other way around.

If you think it is too much work on your part (such a page appears approximately once every two weeks...), we can form an IPA commitee and distribute the work. Adagio burner 17:41, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is again I CANT do it because due to the variety of things I dont know what he is thinking hence the creator must be the one doing it. Hence I never remove anything just hide it so they keep their own reference and can fix it up to right level The Emperor Zelos 17:55, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on you or anyone else here can do it by just looking up the phonetics of standard English.

If the author is not happy with it, they can always change it!

I do not see the problem here. I think people who are not falimiar with IPA are more prone to make an error. Adagio burner 18:02, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

They can do those errors, its perfectly fine and more. But even "standard" english is worthless here. because how many english people truley speak "standard" english of english natives? The Emperor Zelos 18:13, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think when people write something like "a as in blah", they mean the standard English, as they were taught in school, not their native dialect. And then again, if we guess their intend wrong, the author will correct it and at the same time they will learn the importance of IPA ! :) Adagio burner 20:03, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Then why not just inform them from the begining about IPA and provide a link where they can listen and see symbols on thier own while providing a site to copy them from? The Emperor Zelos 20:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

This will devolve into anarchy with "eh" possibly pronounced as /æ:h/, /ex/, /æ:x/, /eh:/, /é:x:/ etcetera. The IPA eliminates the misconceptions, so a little "stimulation" won't hurt, right? Just don't go too far. Rostov-na-don 20:17, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's gone a little too far. I see people discouraged by this kind of "stimulation", offended, driven away. I can undrestand the feeling -- it feels bad when you start creating a language and immediately someone tells you what to do.

I think we can show a little good will and fix their pages creatively. Most of the time it's not hard at all. Policing just feels wrong. Adagio burner 22:00, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I never meant to cause conflict between each other over something I said. After scouring the net for a while and doing my own research, I finally figured out which IPA symbols corresponded to my language. I agree with Adagio burner on the reaction because that's how I felt. I was mad and wanted to even leave the site and just make a blog. I've been working on my language for a good 4 years now. I feel that it's generally completed and I would like to share it with this community. I had the sign that said my page was undergoing a lot of significant construction. I was mad because Zelos completely ignored my sign and did what he/she did do. I had plans on revamping the pronunciation chart in the morning, but for now, I had the layman's terms. I wanted to have something there. Learning the few 30 IPA symbols that I needed to learn for my language was hard. Nobody wanted to help me but Rostov, and even then, it was a wild goose chase because I was directed to a wikipedia page that gave no help. I have a lot of linguists terms to learn as I realize this site is serious of technicality--and why wouldn't/shouldn't it be? Using an accepted system all must know is very intelligent/clever. That way we're all on the same page. There was a misconception, my layman's terms weren't going to be eternal, and I think it was handled wrongly on Zelos's part. Michaelunbreakable 23:43, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

We all make early mistakes, its part of it. We feel offended when corrected and we need to get on with things and learn from the mistakes.

I have been there, I have been corrected and we have all moved on.

Also, Rosotov only helping you is a lie as I provided you with a good link for it all with sounds and everything

The Emperor Zelos 04:57, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Zelos, you are making a mistake in the way you are treating people. You have to change your attitude, and you have to be more friendly. Adagio burner 07:12, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I have decided last night that I don't believe that I really belong in this community right now. I don't want to take something that has been a hobby for me for the past four years and then suddenly turn it into a focal point of judgment and/or criticism. This language, although sloppy in the eyes of a linguist (yet orderly in the eyes of myself), is my creation and also my hobby. I never wanted to have to conform to strict standards and be completely educated in linguistics just to get people to understand the language. There are "how-to" and "easy" guides out there for all languages and I know exactly how to write a guide for my language using the tactics of many others who use a medium language (let's say English) to teach another one (Let's say Japanese). Here, there is only one way to teach and I don't believe that I, personally, am ready to conform to such high standards. I just don't want to turn a hobby (something joyful) into a career (something stressful). Had I all the proper knowledge to convey my language in the standards, I'd be perfectly fine sharing. Sorry to cause such a ruckus and I'd like to come back some day had I finally learned the expectations.. Michaelunbreakable 14:19, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yikes. Drama on the Conlang Wiki. Michael, don't worry about becoming an expert- you don't have to be one to create a language (I am living proof of that :P). But there are policies that have been established to help people learn your language. Like Zelos said, you can't account for dialectic changes using things like "eh". I don't know which link he gave you, but this one may be a little easier to follow. I hope you'll come back soon, I'd be willing to help with the IPA (or other parts of the language) if you like. Razlem 14:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, Razlem. Yesterday, I figured out enough IPA symbols to make a chart for the letters that I use in my language, but I still feel the same way about my place here. You said that I don't have to be an expert to create a language. I'd like to let you, and possibly others, understand that my language is created, but I just don't have the tools/knowledge to convey my language to others. Michaelunbreakable 15:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Then feel free to ask, We'll all gladly answer any questions adn come with suggestions. The Emperor Zelos 16:00, September 19, 2010 (UTC)