Talk:Wexalian

This comes from German and there's / ʒ/ but no /z/? How exactly did you get a  / ʒ/ without a /z/? Modern Standard German has /s/ /z/ /ʃ/ but no  / ʒ/ except in loanwords. It also has had all word-initial /s/ replaced with /z/ or  /ʃ/ depending on environment, and overall /z/ is just such a prominent sound in Standard German (think stereotypical German accents zhat talk like zhis, even using the voiced alveolar fricative for the voiceless /θ/ phonemes word-initially because of the non-occurence of word-initial /s/ in Standard German outside of of a few loanwords, all of which contain consonant clusters) while / ʒ/  is absent that I'm just confused.

Also, your think with ß and ſ is just weird. ß is from blackletter ſʒ (sz). "s" (edit: using the angle brackets with "s" gives strikethroughs) in Standard German is /z/ (although it's affected by final devoicing and appearing before voiceless consonants) except before stops where it's  /ʃ/. <ſ> word-finally in all languages that used it is "s" and <ß> is something else entirely, for example "through" and  "bit" (verb, old orthography). I know this language isn't supposed to be Standard German but I don't get it either. The sound changes are pretty weird and the grammar is even weirder.

Joersc ( talk ) 04:33, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

There is an orthographic /z/, but I assume you're talking about phonologically [z] and [ʒ]. [z] I assume was formed from initial and intervocalic [s], but intervocalic [s] became [x] (I thought this would be interesting because the wikipedia article talked about [s] being [s̱] and closer to [ʃ]), and intially, I don't like [z]. [ʒ] was just formed from final [ʃ] after a long vowel (I thought that would be a nice touch in addition to final obstruent devoicing) and its addition made it possible to add in loan words with [ʒ]. As for the ß/ſ, I used those because /s/ became [ʃ] mostly, and old timey ortho use /ſ/ a lot so I thought I'd be interesting to use ß finally/intervocalically and ſ initial/pre-consonantally. If you have an orthography you'd like to see, I'd love to see it, though. Is weird good here? If so, what specifically, and how could I fix it in your eyes?

Maxseptillion77 (talk) 11:36, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

May as well crib your idea of the HG dialect and make a normal HG dialect instead of Fed up pseudo-Limburgish dialect.

Also, I myself don't have anything about your language. --DAH BUY000R! (wall | crimes)

I'm always up to suggestions o3o. Also, if you have some good reasouces on OHG, Bavarian, and/or Middle High German or (better yet) a list of sound changes from OHG to Standard German or any other Germanic lang would be amazing! I only have a word list, a wikipedia article, and a "primer." I'm not sure how most Germanic langs evolved ;-;. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by peseudo-Limburgish dialect since this isn't supposed to be a dialect and I've never looked Limburgish ever. Define what you mean by "normal HG dialect" too.

Maxseptillion77 (talk) 17:00, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

I just gave some short feedback and said that I may as well crib (or, if you're boring, plagiarize) your idea. No need to seek sense where it does not belong, I'm not Gabriel fricking Garcia Marquez.

And I referred to my lang as to the pseudo-Limburgish dialect, since I said repeatedly that in Germanic langs palatalization was already present in Limburgish. --DAH BUY000R! (wall | crimes)

OH XD. I thought you were saying that Boyait was bad and a copy-paste pseudo-Limburgish XD. Sorry.

Maxseptillion77 (talk) 17:42, August 3, 2015 (UTC)