User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán/2

Stealing
...is not something I'm going to accuse you of. Rather, I was wondering if I could steal your layout for Kihā́mmic/Phonology and IPA? - Which you've stolen from Wikipedia... ;) kyām dēkәr 13:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Go for it, though I think my Phonology page could do with being better written and added to. Then again, that has nothing to do with your languages. This is for Nāmic I assume? pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 15:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed it is. I am currently constructing a customised Devanāgarī for the language, as well as translating all key phrases - such as "Phonology", "Sample text" et.c. Many thanks! kyām dēkәr 15:53, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Is it adapted Devanāgarī or a Devanāgarī-inspired script? I have a very modified Ge'ez script for Jukpë but don't have a digitised version yet. I look forward to seeing the page and script. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 16:10, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

'Tis adapted. I don't have a program capable of creating fonts, in which case I would've created my own. I do however have a script I normally use when writing by hand. I'd really like to see your Jukpë-Ge'ez. The Ge'ez is after all one of my favourites. Don't ruin it! kyām dēkәr 16:18, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have such a programme either. I've heard that FontForge (I think) is meant to be good (and free) but when I tried to install it it was a nightmare and failed. I'll scan the abugida sheet soon then, I'm not sure whether to make it Jukpë "canon" or not so your opinion would be appreciated. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 16:27, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Move
You might be interested in this

Forum:Move

The Emperor Zelos 16:18, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

How interested in it are you? If you registered at the new place we could get started on making it better than this place in no time =)

The Emperor Zelos 12:26, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I will do then, I'm largely ambivalent towards the idea but if the majority support it then who am I to refuse. Hopefully I will have enough free time during the next few weeks to be of use; we shall see. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 12:28, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, I think we should desgin up a bunch of simple templates to use to be compact, nice looking yet very informative for the new wiki The Emperor Zelos 12:31, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I've created an account, when you want me do something let me know. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 12:43, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have created an account as well, and I'm ready to start at any time. kyām dēkәr 14:05, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Notice regarding mainpage
Hi from Wikia -

I see that you've replaced the link to your new wiki on this wiki's mainpage. Please note that I will be removing it and ask that you refrain from continuing to replace it. While we are sorry you have chosen to leave Wikia, this wiki will remain here for anyone who choses to edit and contribute. Placing an offsite link such as the one you've chosen to place on your mainpage is considered advertising for another service and is prohibited on Wikia. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 17:04, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I can't see any justification for this; this wiki is for a community of people and though it happens to have started life here on Wikia, informing people of the community's move to Wikkii is not advertising Wikkii itself, it's "advertising" the new Conlang Wiki which happens to be located Wikkii. None of us care about advertising for anyone. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 17:21, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry MOB, but I fear they are correct. We are effectively advertising Wikkii, and as such they are completely justified to intervene. No matter our intentions. kyām dēkәr 06:10, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

What a load off bullshit =/ Very well then, we will do it manually then The Emperor Zelos 07:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

As we aren't allowed to "advertise" like that, we can still say we have moved and have people contact me/us so they can get where it is The Emperor Zelos 12:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Emperor Zelos. We typically allow notices such as the one you've posted on the mainpage and in the welcome message for 30 days. So, around June 24, 2012, we'll remove those notices. Further, in the past, we have had problems with admins moving to a new fork, but also staying and trying to influence the direction of the wiki they have left. We prefer not to remove rights from departing admins, unless they are harming the wiki (by deleting content) or using it to promote their own, but there can be a serious conflict of interest in trying to run what will become two competing wikis. Because of these problems, I would ask that those who have chosen to leave remove their admin rights at Special:UserRights. This will also make it clearer to any future editors who to contact if they need help (staff will be available for that until new admins are found). Thank you. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 16:32, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reversions
Hi - You'll need to refrain from reverting my edits. As has been discussed before, advertising the new site is not allowed on any page other than the original forum page where the move was discussed. Should you continue to add the advertisement for the new site on content pages, you risk losing your rights to post on this wiki. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 19:45, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

It's not necessarily "advertising" the move, it's informing readers of the fact that the page is out-dated but that a more recent version of the article exists. Do you understand this? pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 21:19, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I was trying to write in Kihámmic, but I gave up after I couldn't find the supine verb form. Anyway, it seems we have created competetive wikis... oh boy. OlykoekSlayer 00:55, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose I should mention somewhere that the supine is just a bare infinitive (at least it is so far).

Well, siblings will fight! pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 06:57, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

My money's on the younger brother... kyām dēkәr 07:07, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Adminship
I have given you adminship as you are more active than I am here and I am starting to feel like I am about to explode =) Use it well The Emperor Zelos 17:10, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, shall do. pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 17:11, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thou hast my support! Now and forever! kyām dēkәr 19:34, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

I also hail you MOB, ye have mine support as well! OlykoekSlayer 07:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Editing My Language
I have already told you not to edit my language - how many times would it take for you to understand what I'm saying?Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 22:25, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

When and where did I edit? Please, calm down.  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  22:26, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

How do you mean where? It's bloody explicitly stated that it is mine and that I accept no edits whatsoever on the Kti page. I mean, seriously, I even made my own warning just because of smart people like you.

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 18:23, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Calm down! Then if you don't accept any edits have a go at the Wikia staff member who edited it too...  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  19:04, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

And Wattman.  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  19:05, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no, I accept what Jen did, since she is from the staff, and Wattman has my explicit permission to do stuff to my conlang - it's you with whom I have a problem. This has already happened on the fork, as well. It's that I don't agree to your edits, and if you could edit my language liberally, so can I to your pages.

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 19:22, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

As long as you don't abuse my pages you can correct things such as spelling mistakes (i.e. "n inflected" > "an inflected").  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  19:32, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

You do realise that the sentences I edited have been, and again now are, ungrammatical and in violation of the orthography?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 19:33, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

They aren't ungrammatical or "in violation of orthography".  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  19:35, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are both: your use of however, in that position, is ungrammatical and unorthographical in one hit, and the unusage of the comma is solely unorthographical.

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 19:40, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

The position is not ungrammatical at all. I've already added commas to rectify that lack and judging by your sentence you are far from grammatically perfect yourself.  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  19:49, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

You've pulled a tu quoque (heck, a faulty one); even though my sentences are quite easily parsable, let's assume they aren't - that doesn't nullify my point, that'd only make a hypocrite of me for trying to correct you when I myself am not using proper grammar. Tu quoque is a fallacy, as such, it is of no use.

And, it is not possible to place the word "however" of that meaning in that position in any reasonably formal English, the same formalish English the rest of the page is attempting to emulate.

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 20:03, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

And, you still haven't asked him about those things :)I'm not coming out with shite, and his indoctrination of you about me is pretty nice - I even envy it. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 20:23, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

As one last thing, tell him that I have a new playmate now that Jen's gone. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 20:31, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nice of you to ignore me. It's very healthy for you, trust me. Also, trust my sarcasm =] (except if you're truly offline, in which case we'll continue talking tomorrow) Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 20:45, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Monster Raving Loony Diachronics
How do you think MRLs can arise? What would be the syntactical process of head order shift? Would it come due to word order? Will it happen due to emphasis? Could it stem from an emphatical nominative system? Nominative-absolutive? Direct unmarked? Could it come from the passives? Perfect passives? Perfect subjunctive passives? Or is it due to plain overuse of the passives and subjunctives?

Can it replace the active voice with something else? How would its special voice work? What would it promote, what demote or delete? What would be the syntactical properties of its nouns? Their behavior? How would verbs be marked, for transitivity maybe?

Would such an alignment be stable? If not, to what would it decay? In how much time? Would such a shift be generally smooth or very rough?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 10:00, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I believe this is the very example - of a schoolbook example... Intelligent tactic, indeed, I must say. However, I fear it is of no use. kyām dēkәr 10:15, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Or so you say. Although, those questions were fully honest, that's what's been bugging me for some time. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 10:38, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Swiping-Piping and Mesoamerica
So, since Mesoamerica is the center of the pied-piping with inversion phenomenon, I've been wondering if there could be a Mesoamerican language with swiping-piping, although swiping is mainly restricted to western Eurasia. If there is, could you link me some resources to it, including a reference grammar, some examples of swiping-piping and whatnot?

And is there a link between piping, swiping and ergativity? If not, why is there such a large coincidental link? Is it due to a Sprachbund, but, if so, why are there piping-with-inverse languages in the Malay archipelago?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 11:37, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Clickogenesis and Implosives
How do clicks arise? I've heard claims about implosive cluster simplification, but I'd like to be absolutely sure - if so, when the clusters simplify, do they retain the suprasegmental features of their predecessors, or do the features get lost?

How would a voicing contrast emerge in those clicks? That's pretty hard to say, but you maybe know. I mean, voiceless implosives are far too rare to have occured like that.

Could it have stemmed from a voiced/breathy-voiced/muddy-voiced implosive distinction? What about from ejectives? Or the two combined? Could the ejectives given voiceless and implosives the voiced clicks?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 11:45, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Active-Stative into Ergative
Is it possible? How would it function? I'd expect there to be special circumstances - are there? What about case marking? Voice?

Could such a language preserve its previous cases or would it have to reanalyse apositions? What about syntax changes? Word order? Phrase heading? Piping changes? Word fronting and topicalisation?

What about developing an active-stative alignment out of an ergative? Is it possible? In what timeframe, if it is? Or, if it isn't, why? Active-stative languages have to have developed somehow - how? Is it possible that the active-stative alignment stems from nominative languages and topicalisation, or is it from ergative?

Could a Monster Raving Loony develop into active-stative?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 13:20, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

This is beginning to look ad nauseam, Rostov. He will endure, I'm sure. kyām dēkәr 13:59, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

But he fails as an admin if he endures, he fails if he cracks, he fails if he listens to Zelos. And each and every of those questions is legit =] Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 14:09, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Nice tricolon. But believe me - he'll endure. Believe me - he won't crack. Believe me - he will certainly not listen to Zelos. Believe me - he might respond. kyām dēkәr 14:15, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

If he answers, I come up with more and more. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 14:18, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

It serves no purpose, truly. You cannot declare him unsuitable if he does not answer, i.e. e silentio. Nor if he answers, because essentially, this current crusade of yours is both ad nauseam and non sequitur. kyām dēkәr 14:32, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yet I don't want to dismiss him as unsuitable by merit or temper, because if I wanted so, I'd've used a dilemma, or a paradoxical dilemma, or apply a game on a two-choice, persistent situation. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 15:35, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

It would have the same effect as this - none, I'm afraid. Though you have indeed put him in a dilemma already, considering the choices he's got for this argumentation. kyām dēkәr 15:56, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

You're confusing terms: this is an apparent and partially false polychtomy, which is what you're refering to as a dilemma. Read up on some logic if you're going to use it as an instrument. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 16:22, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we're talking about the same thing? And my usage of the term "dilemma" was not of logical nature. There are two dots missing after the sentence. But please, enlighten me on the term "polychtomy"? kyām dēkәr 16:58, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Polychtomy: generalised dichtomy, extended to n choices. Partially false polychtomy: a polychtomy with n choices and n-x; x < n mutually exclusive results. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 17:13, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Very well, then, a dichotomy. Dialectal variation. Then I see. And agree. Nevertheless - had I referred to your argumentation as logical dilemma, it would have been false dichotomy. There are still two sovereign options available, but perhaps not presented. kyām dēkәr 17:49, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

He has at least three fair choices: 217.16.143.25 18:09, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Listen to Zelos
 * 2) Ignore me
 * 3) Answer me

Now count them. kyām dēkәr 18:10, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Two. Though, I don't know why you're excluding Zelos that quickly. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 18:14, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mechanisms of Japanese Loaning
How do Japanese words get processed when loaned? How does Japanese process words when it loans them? What about their usage in day-to-day life? Do they get semantically bleached or what?

Is it possible to fully inflect any loaned verb that is not of Sinitic origin? Is it possible to modify loaned nouns? What about loaned adjectives? How does loaned /p/ work in Japanese? Is it stable or not? Does it tend to fricate?

What about the standard rules of high vowel devoicing and Japanese pitch accent? Do these even apply to loan words? Does length get transfered while loaning? Does accent get transferred? Stress? What about non-nasalised vowels? Multi-consonant syllables? How does Japanese choose its syllable-final vowel?

Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 17:54, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Semantics and Pragmatics
Can you explain to me the differences between Serbian and Croatian semantics and pragmatics? How do they compound? How often do they compound?

Is it true that, while being so simmilar, the two don't share compounding norms? Is there an article on this? If there is, who wrote it and when?

Why does Serbian have a greater amount of dative verbs which behave as accusative verbs in Croatian? What about general alternations and ablaut? Do they work the same in both languages?

Might you, by any chance, have any resources strictly on the Croatian language? Or its dialectology? I'm particularly interested in pragmatics of Kajkavian, since it's the black sheep of the family.

Do you, by any chance, have any works on the semantic workings of transitional Slovene-to-Croatian dialects? Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 09:43, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Akkadian Bilingualism
How did it function? As I know, the linguistic exchange between Akkadian and Sumerian was very extensive. Do you know of any specific influences? Which one was superior in status? I believe it was Sumerian, but, I'd like to be sure.

What about the influences of Sumerian and Akkadian on a wider area? Is it possible that the traces of two persist in modern spoken languages?

What about other languages? Are there any traces of other, pre-Sumerian and/or pre-Akkadian languages in Mesopotamia? Lexical borrowings? Non-native myths?

What about loaned grammar, between Sumerian and Akkadian, and between them and others? That'd quite show it. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 11:03, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Moment of my silence
With what you've pulled on the other wiki, I believe you've earned a moment of my silence. Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 08:40, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

If you were talking, I think my ears would bleed. kyām dēkәr 12:48, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I've discussed the situation with someone more mature than me, and have come to the conclusion that what I am doing is not quite the best approach.

Sincerely, Rostov-na-don ist dein herr Oberst! 13:42, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion request
Could you pleae delete my conlang page Laboulan for me? I didn't really use common sense when coming up with it and it seems too random. I don't want it anymore. Thanks so much. Jmelnick 11:04, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

By all means! (unless the Wikia staff deny your right to do so)  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  16:55, June 21, 2012 (UTC)