Forum:Group Project/General

Start-General-Vocabulary-Organization-Innovations

Does anyone want to get together and create a language as a group? We can plan the basics here and eventually create a separate page for it.

I was thinking of a basic auxiliary language for conlangers, any other ideas?

Razlem 17:55, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm currently working on an auxlang with some friends. Community help would be nice. LINK —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 22:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I wanted to start with something a bit more simple. If this gets going nicely, then we can make it more complex. Razlem 23:42, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. And by "simple" you mean "like English," right? At least just for starters… —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 02:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, so simple is relative. But just for the time being, I'd like to avoid complex grammatical concepts. Razlem 03:17, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Wow! I have been considering opening a project like this for some time. I had a talk with EmperorZelos about it and was letting the idea maturing before posting. I surely want to work in this project! Panglossa | Talk 03:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Simple? ah this is going to be a pidgin! The Emperor Zelos 04:20, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a pidgin per se; it doesn't have to be simple nor does it have to be only for conlangers. Just tossing some ideas around. Razlem 04:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you dont want to avoid grammatical concepts pidgin is what you want The Emperor Zelos 08:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

When do we start? Before anything, we have to define general guidelines for the language. I mean, not the language elements themselves, but things like: I think it is a good start. Panglossa | Talk 13:25, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Is it a Terran or an alien language?
 * 2) Is it meant to be an artificial auxiliary, or a natural language?
 * 3) Is it highly inflectional, completely isolating, or any level (and if so, what level) between these extremes?
 * 4) Do we want a plain regular language without any innovations (for this is our first project), or will we include unique, original or even exotic features in it?

For our first project, let's go with Terran, auxiliary, infl-iso mix, and a few unique innovations. Razlem 14:02, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

For me it is OK. Panglossa | Talk 14:28, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Another important thing: is it an open project (anyone can contribute), or there is going to be a defined group of members? Panglossa | Talk 14:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

It can be an open project, but we have to make sure that people follow the rules of the language if they want to contribute. Or would you rather have a more selective group of users? Razlem 15:36, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should define at least a group of members with decision power. Imagine e.g. we have to vote on something, we must know how many votes are needed. Members could be accepted with the ongoing project, if someone finds it interesting, the definition of the group is simply to give us some parameter. Panglossa | Talk 15:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. So how do we want to start this language? Razlem 16:08, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Otherwise, we can define a time for decisions to be taken. Just like in the Featuring process. We establish a limit date or a standard period of time, then we work on the opinions issued in that period. Panglossa | Talk 16:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's good to have some discussion time, but the intervals should be short (like 2 or 3 days). Razlem 16:44, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

I guess we should start with the alphabet. Are there any particular sounds that we want? Razlem 19:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vowels: a, e, i, o (ɔ), u, ǝ (^), y

Stress: à (aʔ), á (a:), ã

Consonants: p, t, k, s, f, r, m, n, ng (ŋ), nq (N), q, x, w, y (j), h, nh (ɲ); little bit of caucasian feel; all same as IPA unless specified in parentheses —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 20:38, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Do we want voiced consonants or l, that's what I can't decide? I don't like either :P —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 20:41, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

There are many more things to decide before the alphabet. First of all, we must agree upon what has already been proposed. Current proposals are:
 * 1) Terran
 * 2) Auxiliary language (i.e., not thought of as a natural language)
 * 3) Lightly inflected, with a tendence to isolating
 * 4) A few unique innovations

My vote is PRO for all these points, with one addendum to the last one: these innovations should have some "tactical" motivation; as it is an auxiliary language, any innovation must have the objective of giving some positive practical feature to the language.Panglossa | Talk 21:01, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am PRO for all of these as well. Razlem 01:55, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. Do you have any ideas? Razlem 21:28, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Dual pronouns. But only if there aren't conjugations because if there are, just conjugate them in. —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 21:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

If it's an auxlang for conlanging (have we decided on that yet?), then perhaps there should be 2 genders: one for natural, and one for artificial. Razlem 23:10, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe for distinction yes, but certainly not for any of this gender agreement stuff. Artificial has last vowel as i, e, or ǝ, while natural has a last vowel as a, o, u. —Detectivekenny; (Info) Preceding text certified by R. Xun as of 01:28, May 23, 2010 (UTC)