Talk:Kiitra(╒└:╠:.╨.─)

IPA
You should add IPA qualities of those sounds, as English has some rather divergent dialects. If it were the variety of English I use, you'd have, in order, these: [æ ə b dz ɛ f ɡ ʔ e (none) d͡ʒ kʰ χ l m n ʌ pʰ ɻ r sʲ ʂ ʈʰ ʌ ʏ ʋ z ʔ ɒɪ e:] If you check our IPA article, you'll find the backbones of what you need, and you should further click around on the Wikipedia's own one to learn more. Or you could just contact me, you know :D 18:23, September 26, 2012 (UTC) ~)  The Elector, Darkness Immaculate 

The only problem I see with using the IPA is that it's not accessible to the average person, unless they have a phonological textbook or article on hand. In short, not user-friendly.

That's why my principle reference was the internationally recognized NATO phonetic alphabet. The vast majority of people can understand "U as in Uncle" better than "ʌ".Lamikorda (talk) 02:44, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

But there are so many things the "U as in Uncle" can mean - mine is [o] without rounding (actually [ɤ] < /ʌ/). Learning the IPA is often invaluable, and no matter on which conlanging forum you go, you'll get frowned upon due to those comparations. You might want to include an additional column detailing the IPA realisations. Well, it's your choice, but I really reccomend the IPA. 14:33, September 27, 2012 (UTC) ~)  The Elector, Darkness Immaculate 

I agree with Rostov/Elector Dark, learning the IPA is extremely useful. You're welcome to use your own examples alongside the specific IPA transcription to help those who don't know IPA but most conlangers do know it and use it often.  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  15:08, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Guys ... How many average people can even make head or tails of IPA?? It's like telling someone: "To learn how to repair your car, first take a college-level engineering course." This is a complaint I made on my wiki-blog here, that the "phonologist" style of conlanging depends so much on specialized technical jargon, it's made inaccessible. So rather than declare from on high: "Thou shalt use IPA, and we shalt barrage you forwith until thou doest," could you come up with a workable alternative for a broader audience??

Lamikorda (talk) 15:33, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

The IPA was designed as a workable alternative to the comparison. I don't think many average people can make sense of the IPA, but the IPA itself is a linguist's tool. The comparison itself is faulty as many accents of English exist, and, framed more widely, every language has dialects which can (and often do) vary quite some. 15:37, September 27, 2012 (UTC) ~)  The Elector, Darkness Immaculate 

We're not asking you to use the jargon just the symbols. I rarely if ever use the terms in my articles I always refer to a voiceless velar fricative as /x/. It might seem a bit daunting but it's not that hard to get to grips with if you use it regularly. As ED said Wikipedia is good resource to learn IPA. There are other ways to phonetically transcribe things but they're essentially the same principle as the IPA and that is the most widespread.  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  15:46, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I will get to adding an additional column, but quite frankly this sounds like you're taking fun personal projects and running them through a doctoral thesis review board.Lamikorda (talk) 15:58, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I started conlanging little over a year ago and I found it a bit dauting to learn IPA at first but I've found that it's made it easier to understand phonology but maybe if you're not so keen on phonology anyway I suppose you will find it worse. But If you're ever unsure you can always ask either of us :)  Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán  16:00, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Jeesh, I've conceded this already, and you're still harassing me about it!! And honestly, I feel that Elector's harsh tone means he'd punish me in some ways if I didn't. It's going to get done, leave me alone already!!Lamikorda (talk) 16:22, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, wasn't trying to be harsh :P We'll leave you be. (ED)