Forum:Translation Challenge

Since people were so interested we will do this now, here is how it goes. The Emperor Zelos 13:17, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * There will be 4 sentences, brackets will be used to show where subclauses are to assist
 * Two easy with no subclauses
 * One medium with a single subclause
 * One complex with multiple subclauses, no more than 4.
 * Everyone one is allowed to enter (these competitions only last a week at a time)
 * Grades are given using template, it will colour the grade and you replace X with any letter between A and F, A being good, and F being aweful, reasons for it will is put after and prefered to know why
 * Grades shall be done in accordance to these criterias, place a grade on each one when you "vote"
 * Originallity, how original is the way of expressing? for example of a word is literly meaning "Made unique" but used where we would say "featured" it is given a higher rating as it isnt direct
 * Information Retention, how well is the meaning retained? While identical meaning is impossible it shouldnt strive off too much
 * Elegancy, how elegantly is it put? Too much going around that is near unneccisery is worse than other
 * The contestants or challangers shall give the exact wording in their conlang, then provide description of each element, dative markers etc, and then a direct translation back into english
 * Winner each week pick 2 or 3 sentences to translate again that is culturally and timely neutral, no terms that is exclusive to a specific culture or time. Instead of "car" one takes "cart", electronical things should be avoided to give all languages a sporty shot.

Discussion
Umbrean_Lessons/04_Another_object for style of part analyze, perhaps using this style? The Emperor Zelos 15:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would take up a lot of space, especially for longer sentences. Razlem 16:33, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fiar point, hmmmm suggestions? The Emperor Zelos 16:49, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Savazano
 * As far as I can see, the word order in Savazano repeats the one in English almost 100% of the time. I think the probability of this being the case when you are translating between two natlangs is close to zero.
 * Ah, but it's not a natlang ;) It's doing exactly what it was designed to do, to convey the point as easily and precisely as possible. I bolded the words in the description; you'll see that the root system is what gives it its flexibility. Razlem 21:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a problem with conlangs that mimic the way of expression in your native language. Adagio burner 21:14, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * In particular, it is weird how the subordinate clause in the last sentence ends with the word "with", just like in English. I don't know if any other language does it the same way as English does, nut most natlangs would structure it differently. It definitely feels more like a word-to-word translation than a sentence in a different language. Adagio burner 20:11, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of confused, where do you see "with" at the end of a clause besides the original sentence? Razlem 21:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * "A(sing)- white(adj)(sing)- cart(n)(sing),- that(conj)- I(adj)(sing)- [fem(parent-sibling relation)]- go(v)(past)(perfective)- with(prep)" is the part that translates "A white cart that my aunt had gone with", right? This "go with" is very much English-specific. Natives of other languages could say "with-go", or "with which my aunt had gone", etc. Adagio burner 21:14, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah! Thank you! That's actually what I was looking for when creating that clause (with which). I knew there was a better way, but I couldn't think of it at the time. Pitiful, I can't even decipher my native language T_T Razlem 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mis Hio
 * I like how you add the idioms you use The Emperor Zelos 20:28, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Context
People seem to go on about context so for next one i ask this, think we should have strict context or let meaning be more flowing where we let each one determine the meaning as they see fit? The Emperor Zelos 21:06, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Grades
Places grades here The Emperor Zelos 20:24, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Savazano
 * Mis Hio
 * Quai'op
 * Adwan
 * Mulanuqa
 * Savazano

Sentences

 * 1) The stone fell.
 * 2) A bird flew by my stores display window.
 * 3) The old man [that enjoys reading] walked up to me.
 * 4) A white cart [which my aunt had gone to the store with] is being transported to a store [that no one really likes] [because it is just too old]
 * Does [because it is just too old] describe the cart or the store? Razlem 15:03, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * P either, contextual
 * Hmm, I translated it as the store being too old, but I guess the cart being too old makes much more sense. Mis Hio does not allow any ambiguity here, so I really need to pick one or the other. Adagio burner 20:01, May 7, 2010 (UTC)